What is your role with OCL? I am an OCL professor, who hopes to start another chapter in McMinnville, OR.
What is your day job/career: I serve as lead pastor at Church on the Hill. I help people know God, find freedom, discover their purpose and play their role in God’s story.
How did you become involved with OCL? In 2013, my consulting firm sent me to St. Louis to take the Communication Skills Training course offered by Barry-Wehmiller. At that time, I was also serving as the lead pastor at a church in Midland, MI. As I was taking the CST course, I immediately thought how this course experience could change family and community dynamics. Over the next two years I worked with the OCL team to bring OCL to Midland, MI.
How do you most often find yourself using what you learned in CST? I use the OCL principles on a daily basis as a husband, dad and as a pastor. I try to keep at the forefront of my mind that the most helpful thing I can do for people is to “listen” to them – really listen. In addition, living the “way of the bent knee" and implementing “personal recognition statements” helps create a positive atmosphere at work and at home.
What is your favorite quote? “I live before the Audience of One. Before others, I have nothing to prove, nothing to gain, nothing to lose.” General Charles “Chinese” Gordon.